Ducks At A Distance

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A woman brought a very limp duck into a veterinary surgeon. As she lay her pet on the desk, the vet pulled out his stethoscope and listened to the bird’s chest. After a second or two, the vet shook his head sadly and said, “I’m so sorry, your pet has passed away.”

The distressed owner wailed, “Are you sure?”

“Yes, I’m sure. The duck is dead,” he answered.

“How can you be so sure”, she protested. “I mean, you haven’t done any testing on him or anything. He force just be in a coma or something.”

The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room. He returned a few moments later with a pair of Labrador Retrievers. As the duck’s owner looked on in amazement, the dogs stood on their hind legs, place their front paws on the examination desk and sniffed the duck from top to bottom. They then looked at the vet with sad eyes and shook their heads. The vet patted the dogs, took them out of the room and returned a few moments later with a gorgeous cat. The cat jumped up on the desk and also sniffed the bird from its beak to its tail and back again. The cat sat back on its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly, jumped down and strolled out of the room. The vet looked at the woman and said, “I’m sorry, but as I said, this is most certainly, 100% certifiably, a dead duck.”

Then the vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a bill, which he handed to the woman. The duck’s owner, subdue in shock, took the bill. “$150!” she cried. “$150 just to tell me my duck is dead?!!”

The vet shrugged. “I’m sorry. If you’d taken my word for it, the bill would have been $20. But what with the Lab Reports and the Cat Scan, it all adds up.”
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One thing seems very clear from the Dragonfly Consulting Verdict and that is that the clauses in most IT Contractors’ contracts which have a Right of Substitution clause won’t have any effect in putting them outside IR35.

The reason is that the Commissioners and the courts look like they are going to insist that there has to be an free right to send along a substitute unvetted by the client before they will look upon it as something which shows that IT Contractors are in business in their own right.

They see most contractors as one man bands and their limited companies as being set up with the sole purpose of supplying the services of the individual contractor who set up the company.

As there is no one else in the company then the company can’t supply the services of anyone else.

To get around this contractors could try banding together either inside a single company or perhaps with structured relationships with other contractors who have limited companies.

Possibilities

One would suggest these possibilities:-

1.Two or more contractors with similar skills setting up a limited company which would handle all their work.

2.Contractors and their limited companies having well defined relationships with other contractors and their limited companies who have similar skills. It would be a fantastic benefit if they were able to get each other work. If they were able to get those contractors ‘in’ at companies where they work then that would help a fantastic deal, especially if there was a written covenant where the contractor / company finding them the work would get a set fee or percentage of the contract fee. If there was an covenant amongst those contractors to provide the services of the other contractors in the loose (but well defined) relationship then that might be usual as being outside IR35

Bugbear

The big bugbear in the Right of Substitution is in convincing client companies to accept an free right to substitute someone else to do your work at the company.

I suppose that one way to do it, once you’ve got the contract, is to send the person that you want to substitute for you along to see the company right at the beginning so that the right of substitution and an covenant on the substitute is made before any work starts.

If it is the same substitute you use all the time it could be deemed that, although you have a limited company and the substitute has a limited company that the business relationship could mean that you are in business on your own account.

But, until it is tested by the courts or there is further clarification, IT Contractors are still in the dark and have to try and second guess whether they are inside IR35 or not and what puts them outside or inside – and this lack of clarification has been the big problem all along.

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